Glossary entry (derived from question below)
Russian term or phrase:
служитель религиозного культа
English translation:
cleric/clergyman
Added to glossary by
Arkadi Burkov
Jun 18, 2006 15:22
17 yrs ago
Russian term
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служитель религиозного культа
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End of letter from 1929:
(такого-то).
If I say "children of a religious cult member" it will mean something different today...Was this term used perhaps just for someone very active in a church?
(такого-то).
If I say "children of a religious cult member" it will mean something different today...Was this term used perhaps just for someone very active in a church?
Proposed translations
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| 4 +4 | cleric/clergyman |
Arkadi Burkov
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| 5 +1 | is of church-related occupation |
Vitaly Kisin
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| 4 +1 | a minister of religion |
Dylan Edwards
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| 3 +1 | minister of church |
Ibrahimus
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| 3 | priesthood/priests |
Kirill Semenov
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Proposed translations
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cleric/clergyman
служитель религиозного культа - это однозначно духовное лицо (священник)
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Note added at 7 mins (2006-06-18 15:30:36 GMT)
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second thought: служитель религиозного культа sounds like a Soviet euphemism for священник, so a religious cult member may be a good option here given the early attitudes of the Soviet state toward the clergy
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Note added at 7 mins (2006-06-18 15:30:36 GMT)
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second thought: служитель религиозного культа sounds like a Soviet euphemism for священник, so a religious cult member may be a good option here given the early attitudes of the Soviet state toward the clergy
Peer comment(s):
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Jahongir Sidikov
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Спасибо
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Kirill Semenov
: не так однозначно. В исламе есть служители культа, но нет священников (нет института Церкви как такового)
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Спасибо, но речь, если не ошибаюсь, идет скорее о Православной Церкви.
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Vladimir Dubisskiy
: priest or clergyman (especially here with this context). ["or" as he could be 'diak' not 'pop'] It's 100% Orthodox
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Спасибо
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Elena Robert
: clergyman
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Спасибо
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Matthias Quaschning-Kirsch
: @Kirill: Very good point! We shoud find something more neutral. Rakardi, you pointed out that only clericals are meant. I agree completely with this. So why not "religious cult servant"?
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//Thank you Matthias, you've made a very good point. Why not post it as an answer or add it as an "ask asker" note?//agree - I see no reason why it cannot be used here
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4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer.
Comment: "I went with the suggestion "religious cult" euphemism. It may get changed by the editor, or footnoted though. Thanks!"
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minister of church
legal/ juridical name for that position.
But if you are going to use it as an analogue for Russian "поп", then Kirill's version "priest" is exactly what you need.
1. Local Church Minister’s License
The conference board shall have the authority to grant or to revoke local church minister’s license. The status and duties of a local church minister shall be as follows:
http://arc.iphc.org/sec8edit.html
But if you are going to use it as an analogue for Russian "поп", then Kirill's version "priest" is exactly what you need.
1. Local Church Minister’s License
The conference board shall have the authority to grant or to revoke local church minister’s license. The status and duties of a local church minister shall be as follows:
http://arc.iphc.org/sec8edit.html
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Vitaly Kisin
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Works in: English to Russian, Russian to English, English, and 1 more.
Related KudoZ points
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is of church-related occupation
Я было начал комментарий-проповедь к вопросу, но замучили сбои с кодировкой: в 1929-х это был негативный советизм, вроде "продавца опиума для народа", а эти бедняги, униженно просящие о милости к арестованному, вынуждены к нему прибегнуть - а то читать не станут - вместо того, чтобы употребить любой из эквивалентов "священника", предложенных Ракарди и другими. Отсюда моя неуклюжая конструкция: "служитель религиозного культа" тоже была кострукцией ужасно дубовой и произносимой только с презрением
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т.е. я думаю, что они просят ВЦИК похадатайствовать о милости к отцу - но может быть, о ком-нибудь другом
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Note added at 2 hrs (2006-06-18 17:37:36 GMT)
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т.е. я думаю, что они просят ВЦИК похадатайствовать о милости к отцу - но может быть, о ком-нибудь другом
Peer comment(s):
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Arkadi Burkov
: с негативным советизмом согласен (см. мой коммент), но тогда уж лучше вариант аскера - religious cult member//в этом и суть этого советизма - низвести ПЦ до обычного религиозного культа
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а это будет выглядеть по-сегодняшнему, как некое религиозное меньшинство - когда на самом деле речь шла о православной церкви, священников убивали и арестовывали, а их детям не давали учится и пр.
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Aleksandr Okunev (X)
: И с Rakardi тоже
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1 hr
Kirill Semenov
Ukraine
Ukraine
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Native in: Russian 
Works in: English to Russian, Russian
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143
priesthood/priests
In many religions they don't have `clerics', i. e. official members of an instituted Church, they have local spiritual leaders (as in Islam); priests of local temples (Hinduism); religious wisemen and leaders (as in Judaism); shamans, or priests (as in many polytheistic faiths). `Clerics' are usually applied to Christian Churchs only.
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Note added at 2 hrs (2006-06-18 17:56:03 GMT)
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Maybe, `a server/minister of a religious cult', but not a `clergyman', methinks
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Note added at 2 hrs (2006-06-18 17:56:03 GMT)
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Maybe, `a server/minister of a religious cult', but not a `clergyman', methinks
Peer comment(s):
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Vladimir Dubisskiy
: Context ignored:"ВЦИК and села and style." And there are islam or Muslim clerics (www.humaneventsonline.com/article.php?id=2831 and many, many others.
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соображать надо
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Dylan Edwards
United Kingdom
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a minister of religion
The term "ministers of religion" is used quite widely in the Soviet context, though it certainly appears in other contexts too.
ARTICLE 65. The right to elect and to be elected is denied to the following persons, even if they belong to one of the categories listed above:
a. Persons who employ hired labour for profit;
b. Persons living on unearned income, such as interest on capital, profits from enterprises, receipts from property, etc.;
c. Private traders and commercial middle-men;
d. Monks and **ministers of religion; **
www.departments.bucknell.edu/russian/const/18cons03.html
For the census to be taken on January 6,1937, the following list of social categories has been drawn up: worker; clerical worker; collective farmer; individual farmer; individual craftsman; member of the liberal professions; **minister of religion;** other non-laboring elements. According to the official commentary, this census list fails to include any other social characteristics only because there are no classes in the Soviet Union. In reality the list is constructed with the direct intention of concealing the privileged upper strata, and the more deprived lower depths.
www.marxists.org/archive/ trotsky/works/1936-rev/ch09.htm
2) If there are any detainees belonging to a religion, denomination or faith for which no minister of religion or religious worker has been appointed, ...
www.law.qub.ac.uk/humanrts/emergency/safrica/saf4.htm
However, no minister of religion can be required to celebrate a civil union if it is against his or her religion. The celebration of a civil union is ...
www.justice.gouv.qc.ca/english/publications/generale/union-...
ARTICLE 65. The right to elect and to be elected is denied to the following persons, even if they belong to one of the categories listed above:
a. Persons who employ hired labour for profit;
b. Persons living on unearned income, such as interest on capital, profits from enterprises, receipts from property, etc.;
c. Private traders and commercial middle-men;
d. Monks and **ministers of religion; **
www.departments.bucknell.edu/russian/const/18cons03.html
For the census to be taken on January 6,1937, the following list of social categories has been drawn up: worker; clerical worker; collective farmer; individual farmer; individual craftsman; member of the liberal professions; **minister of religion;** other non-laboring elements. According to the official commentary, this census list fails to include any other social characteristics only because there are no classes in the Soviet Union. In reality the list is constructed with the direct intention of concealing the privileged upper strata, and the more deprived lower depths.
www.marxists.org/archive/ trotsky/works/1936-rev/ch09.htm
2) If there are any detainees belonging to a religion, denomination or faith for which no minister of religion or religious worker has been appointed, ...
www.law.qub.ac.uk/humanrts/emergency/safrica/saf4.htm
However, no minister of religion can be required to celebrate a civil union if it is against his or her religion. The celebration of a civil union is ...
www.justice.gouv.qc.ca/english/publications/generale/union-...
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